Posted: 15/Dec/2007 at 12:48pm | IP Logged

We are a 'non-religious' family, even though we study other World Religions and have friends that believe in different Gods.   (as for my children being non-religious...my children think for themselves, but pretty sure they prefer looking at the World with a scientific perspective ...) Looking for 'like-minded ' people in the Marble Fall's (Tx) area.  Not interested in 'debate', only human , moral, non-judgemental , non-self-interested people who don't offer false consolations.  

My boys 12 & 7 love legos, treeforts, animals, trampolines, archery, swiss army knives, goofy words, Star wars, Monty Python, lemonade stands or whatever makes $$..They do like 'debate' (especially my 12 year old.. can anyone answer why the Creator of the universe personally impregnated a Palestinian virgin in order to get his son into the world as a man??  ) Stumping me, guys! 

Anyway, let us know if you're up for chat! 

Posted: 18/Dec/2007 at 5:41pm | IP Logged

Some things can be believed and some things simply cannot.   I cannot prove there isn't a God, no more than you can prove there aren't fairies in my garden.   

I have been to your site, looked around..interesting..A lot of work went into that.. however, it makes me sad to think that you have it all figured out. I hope you don't think that's all there is to your World.  What about all of the other 'Gods , so many other religions?  don't you feel a little 'self-interested' to think that your God is the  only God?  Well, I just non-believe in one God further.   I think I would much rather keep learning about my world around me.   hmmm...I wouldn't mind debating, though.  It may just help me learn more about my world.    

Posted: 19/Dec/2007 at 4:18am | IP Logged

Happy Winter Solstice! 

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yule

Posted: 19/Dec/2007 at 9:32am | IP Logged

Good morning, thanks for visiting my site.

For anything to exist, something must have always existed.  Or to put it another way, if there was ever a point at which absolutely nothing existed, there could only be absolutely nothing now.  So something exists eternally. 

The physical world is decaying and will over time be completely cold and motionless, so the "eternal something" is not physical matter.  If the physical world were eternal, it would have completely decayed "an eternity ago".

This "something" is self-existent, eternal, and transcends our physical/material order and is commonly and historically referred to as "God".  Other names are "Prime Mover", "First Cause", "The One", etc.

To deny the existence of "God" as defined here is contrary to evidence and reason.

Posted: 19/Dec/2007 at 6:22pm | IP Logged

god is incapable of rational/reasonable  demonstration.

Ignorance found God long before mankind found science; even before the wheel was invented, or fire was captured. In that barren, cold, dangerous world stood our remote ancestors. Humanity was in its infancy, struggling to understand the forces of nature, to escape its enemies, to feed itself, and to reproduce its kind. The human mind was emerging from the darkness of animal instincts into the beginnings of reason. Its only thought: Survival! It was a dangerous world with enemies, everywhere and always.  

Question: Do you want your children to think the World is only 6000 years old? (Luke 3:38). Oh..which creation story do you believe in?  There are quite a few conflicting stories.  Psalm 149:2

I suppose I'm doomed..going to that fiery hell that was constantly terrorizing me as a child.  I've always wondered, if Heaven was so splendid, why not go there immediately?  Also, why , if God is so 'omnipotent' , he doesn't question his own existance??  Or why would he choose to create sin in the first place??  silly...mythology..I have a feeling that you're an educated person.  I also don't feel that you truly believe in 'God'  (which one, you never mentioned).  Perhaps you make a living doing this 'believing' and you're 'locked in'  and you're scared.  It's more courageous to be honest with yourself than to 'follow' along with someone else's idea.. I won't judge you.  And I've always thougth that if there is a god who punishes people for rational doubt, why would you want to spend an eternity with it anyway? Such a capricious, egotistical, and nasty god wouldn’t be much fun. If you can’t trust it to be as moral as you are, you can’t trust it to keep its promises and make heaven nice or even let you stay. Not spending eternity with such a being doesn’t sound like much of a loss. I'm not afraid of dying.  I'm enjoying life as it is...the here and now..tHE WONDER AND THE  mystery .   Why would I want to believe in a God that wants worship??  Ever since I've been 10, I have questioned my existence..Always told not to 'question the lord'.  I thought it odd that the word 'woman' meant 'out of man'...strange and misoganistic feeling..

Hey..I've read the bible..actually, forced down my throat....wondering if you've read any Hitchens, Dawkins, Harris, Barker, thomas hobbes, The Koran, Grayling. Ayaan Hirsi Ali..and so on and so on/?  Or are you just living in your comfortable world, not really following the bible, literally, living in a kind of 'hypocritical state'???  Next reply post , could you use your own words??  Seems to me you only 'cut and paste'...kindof the 'body language' i'm reading..

Posted: 20/Dec/2007 at 4:08am | IP Logged

Youmeus,

You're exactly right..I will take your advice and remain on task.. hmm..(wondering if there is a place to put on those 'boxing gloves'...not that it's my style, but I'm willing to stir it up...)

Thanks for the 'check'..much appreciated!

Posted: 20/Dec/2007 at 7:24am | IP Logged

Good Morning Dawkinsdoll,

Following my argument for God's existence, you stated "god is incapable of rational/reasonable  demonstration".  What part of my argument is false?  Here it is again:

Quote: For anything to exist, something must have always existed.  Or to put it another way, if there was ever a point at which absolutely nothing existed, there could only be absolutely nothing now.  So something exists eternally.  The physical world is decaying and will over time be completely cold and motionless, so the "eternal something" is not physical matter.  If the physical world were eternal, it would have completely decayed "an eternity ago". This "something" is self-existent, eternal, and transcends our physical/material order and is commonly and historically referred to as "God".  Other names are "Prime Mover", "First Cause", "The One", etc. To deny the existence of "God" as defined here is contrary to evidence and reason.

Good Morning YouMeUs,
Dawkinsdoll's first post asked "anyone" about the virgin birth of Jesus.  My first post states "debate is almost never useful" and links to my site for further information.  I did not post my argument for God's existence until after Dawkinsdoll had questions about my views and specifically stated "hmmm...I wouldn't mind debating, though". 

I've made no statements in this thread regarding Christianity or the Bible.  The Exit Strategy article on my site continues from the fact of God's existence to consider which of the various religions might be true.

That said, I understand now that these types of discussions are not the intent of this forum and will respect that.  I can always be contacted through my website for any further discussion.

Thank you all.

Posted: 20/Dec/2007 at 5:48pm | IP Logged

Occam's Razor...Sooooo...are there any 'like-minded' home-schoolers in the Marble Fall's area" 

Posted: 26/Dec/2007 at 10:50am | IP Logged

Here's a place to look for some "unschooler's" in your area. I think the link will take you to the page for those in Texas:

http://www.leapingfromthebox.com/hs/elists/texas.html

Hope this helps.

Posted: 26/Dec/2007 at 5:07pm | IP Logged

Thanks , Kimkat34..I once visited this website during my quest for 'like-minded' home schoolers.  Seems that they all live in Austin..it's not too far, but I may just start a new group a little closer to home.

Have a great New Year!